From phma@webjockey.net Mon Apr 12 21:52:49 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7308 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 04:52:49 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 996BC358; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:52:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040413043429.GA9141@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040413043429.GA9141@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404130052.36300.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat Subject: Re: [lojban] Scope of ko X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22007 On Tuesday 13 April 2004 00:34, Rob Speer wrote: > It seems like the "personal pro-sumti" checkpoint of the BPFK should be > fairly easy to complete, with just one exception: ko. > > I remember some disagreement about the scope of ko, and I'm not sure it > was ever resolved. Does ko cross ije-connectives? If so, how do you > connect a non-imperative statement to an imperative one? > > As an example of where the scope of ko really matters, compare these two > sentences: > > 1. Don't sleep with her just because you want to. > 2. Don't sleep with her, because you'll catch an STD. > > They require different scopes of a command. How would each one be > expressed? 1. ko na gletu ko'a mu'ipo'o lenu do djica 2. ko gletu ko'a, mu'i lonu do cinbi'abi'o da'i kei, naku They require different scopes of negation. You're not commanding him not to want to; nor are you commanding him to not catch an STD. In the first sentence you're commanding him to make "sleep with her just because you want to" false; in the second, you're commanding him to make "sleep with her" false, and the motive applies to the negated command. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa