From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Apr 27 12:26:54 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75192 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2004 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2004 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2004 19:26:54 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BIYCj-0003oh-Cq for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:25:17 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BIYBo-0003nI-Oy; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:20 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BIYBe-0003n9-FO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: <20040427192410.GZ19713@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] "herd" and such? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22055 We've passed my level of expertise. Help, please. -Robin ----- Forwarded message from Jorge Llambías ----- From: Jorge Llambías To: Robin Lee Powell --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > What selbri would you use with ni'e? Something meaning "x1 is a herd > > of x2"? > > li ni'e bakni cu klama, IIRC. It's in the red book somewhere. I can't find it. All I can find wrt to ni'e is: --------------- The cmavo ``ni'e'' makes a selbri into an operand. The x1 place of the selbri generally represents a number, and therefore is often a ``ni'' abstraction, since ``ni'' abstractions represent numbers. The ``ni'e'' makes that number available as a mekso operand. A common application is to make equations relating pure dimensions: 18.2) li ni'e ni clani [te'u] pi'i ni'e ni ganra [te'u] pi'i ni'e ni condi te'u du li ni'e ni canlu the-number quantity-of length times quantity-of width times quantity-of depth equals the-number quantity-of volume. Length ? Width ? Depth = Volume ----------------- which wouldn't seem to be the same thing, since cows are not numbers. Is {li ni'e bakni cu klama} meant to be the same as {lo bakni cu klama}? How does {ni'e} introduce the notion of "herd"? Is {li ni'e broda} in general a collective of broda? mu'o mi'e xorxes ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi