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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@v21.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Opinions on "mi viska le sa .i mi cusku zo .djan."
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XORXES:
> But saving a syllable here and there is not that much power. The
> ability to use names as brivla gives you a lot more expressive power:
> 
>    ro djan poi mi djuno cu xabju le merko
>    Every John I know lives in the US.

Jordan:
> [I think you meant sanji; djuno can't be used like that]
> Realistically, you'd likely say something more like
> ro me la djan. ku poi mi sanji cu xabju le merko

I support CMENE=BRIVLA, and maybe the equivalence of "djan" and 
"me la djan", but "ro me la djan" doesn't mean "every John (that
I know)" (in the usual interpretation of that phrase).
Rather, "djan" and "me la djan" would mean "every instance/subkind
of the Kind that I am calling 'djan'". (Of course, the Kind that
I call 'djan' may indeed be the Kind corresponding to the
set of all things that are called 'John' (or that I call
'djan').)

On the proposed equivalence of "djan" and "me la djan", this
would not in fact hold if CMENE=BRIVLA, since brivla "djan" 
could have more than one sumti. Instead, la/lai/la'i would
simply become redundant.

--And.