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On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 11:36:00AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> In another thread:
> 
> rlpowell:
> Basically, Y is caught anywhere that *any* Lojban word would normally
> be valid, so it can be used in ZEI, BU, ZOI, and ZO. Probably some
> others. As an *extra* special case, it cannot have BAhE applied to it,
> because that would just be silly.
> 
> xorxes:
> Why not restrict it to {ybu} only, then, since it is also silly with
> the other words. You could actually be hesitating, and then you have
> to start erasing y's, which is very silly.
> 
> rlpowell: 
> What about 'zo y'?
> 
> xorxes:
> {zo y y y nalselmorjyvalsi} should be the same as {zo
> nalselmorjyvalsi}, you shouldn't be forced into {zo y y y si si si si
> zo nalselmorjyvalsi}, and that's assuming you actually count your y's
> when you hesitate... To actually quote the noise you'd need {zoi ly y
> y y ly}.
> 
> - ----
> 
> I can absolutely see both sides of this argumunt, all the way from
> "only zoi can quote y, period" through to "even ba'e works on y", and
> I'd like other people's opinions.

Just for the record, no-one has actually answered the question.

Oh, and just for the record, if y works with zo, it wouldn't be 
"zo y y y si si si si zo nalselmorjyvalsi" it would be 
"zo y y y si nalselmorjyvalsi".  Only the first y after the zo counts,
and there's no need to repeat the zo.

jbofihe's response to the second version is 

(0[{zo y y} nalselmorjyvalsi])0

My parser's is clearly wrong.  Just a minute.

SI was operating on Y.  Oops.  Fixed.

It now says:

sumti6=( ZO=( zo ) zoClause=( y y y si nalselmorjyvalsi ) absorbIndicators=() free=() )

-Robin

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