From sentto-44114-22488-1085956191-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 30 15:30:35 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 30 May 2004 15:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUYp1-000856-3V for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:30:28 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22488-1085956191-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.31] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2004 22:29:51 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5784 invoked from network); 30 May 2004 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2004 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2004 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([217.140.36.139]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i4UMCLQ27863 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:12:21 +0100 Message-ID: <002701c44695$973c4f40$543a0751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20040530184511.GA21387@mit.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:28:43 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Forget XS, let's go back to XS. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8010 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Rob: > There was a point where I thought I understood XS, and why it wouldn't > break anything anywhere. Judging from what xorxes is claiming about XS > in the thread between him and pycyn, it's past that now. [...] > Then, all we need is a different intensional article. I'll call it {lo'e} > for now, especially since I don't see why {lo'e} doesn't work. [...] > So, basically, I'm re-proposing what I thought was XS. Any comments? I don't have time to participate (which gives you licence to ignore this), but I urge you to hear xorxes out. XS was a zillion times better than any other scheme ever mooted (at least up until the end of 2003 when I tuned out), and it really did make everything sayable while making virtually no undoing of anything baselined. I am here referring to the old XS as documented by me & xorxes -- by the sounds of things (this exchange between pc & xorxes must be taking place in a forum I'm not reading) things may have moved on, though I doubt xorxes has modified XS, since it was so clean & simple. You must realize that if XS had had any logical/semantic flaw I'd not have supported it. If you think you see problems with XS, try asking xorxes "How does XS say [such-and-such]" -- see if you can break it, while giving xorxes the chance to make sure you're using it correctly. Sorry I can't be involved, but it gives me a shudder to think that the gadri debates might be happening all over again, given the existence now of XS and of xorxes as its exegete. Best wishes to everybody, --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/