From sentto-44114-22504-1086036844-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon May 31 13:55:47 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 31 May 2004 13:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUton-0002CP-IO for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:55:40 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-22504-1086036844-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2004 20:55:03 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 748 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserv1.intrex.net) (209.42.192.236) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C9EC650 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 16:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from craig (client212-89.dsl.intrex.net [209.42.212.89]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D7FEC5A8 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40BB9466.6010105@thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by viruswatch at intrex.net X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.42.192.236 From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:55:08 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >>>> Lojban does not have nouns, verbs etc., and I am >>>>convinced that our endless debates about Lojban articles are partly >>>>caused by the fact that we still think of them as articles. >>>> >>>> >>>Sounds right. I think the best way to think of {lo} is as >>>a selbri-to-sumti converter, without any additional baggage. >>> >>> >> >>To someone who doesn't know Lojban, "selbri" and "sumti" are semantic zeros. >>The closest terms in English, I think, are "verb phrase" and "noun phrase", >> >> >A closer analogy might be Function and Arguments. Closer, yess, but less good when the goal is to explain it from the standpoint of natural language grammar. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/