From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Mon May 10 14:07:35 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10667 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BNHzn-0000aA-Vi for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:07:32 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNHzA-0000Xl-02; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:06:52 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 May 2004 14:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNHyy-0000VS-6y for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20040510210607.60915.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:06:07 PDT Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:06:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 7768 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jorge "Llambías" Reply-To: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Subject: [lojban] Re: loglan/lojban masses/sets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=142311107 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22231 --- Evgeni Sklyanin wrote: > Actually, I have also a question about {lea} > > According to Loglan 1, Sec. 4.20 > http://www.loglan.org/Loglan1/chap4.html#sec4.20 > > [quote]Lea preda designates, for any preda, the non-empty set of all > the predas. It is universal, not intentional. Like leu, its > designatum is always a set, not the members of some set. Unlike leu, > it means 'the set of all (predas)'.[/quote] With the understanding that 'set' in Lojban is not a mathematical set but a group considered together, that would fit with lea as {piro loi}. > Lea ficli ga laldo lea mamla = Fishes are older than mammals. > > What is the lojbanic equivalent? It is not {ro lo finpe cu tolcitmau ro lo mabru}, so if "lea" was {ro lo} at some point it was not that here. I would go with {lo finpe cu tolcitnau lo mabru}, "fish is older than mammal". mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover