From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 10 16:43:00 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29177 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 23:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 23:42:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 23:42:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BNKQD-0002uZ-LG for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:42:57 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNKPU-0002tl-Es; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:42:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 May 2004 16:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomts13.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.34] helo=tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNKPK-0002tb-6u for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:42:02 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.14] ([64.230.124.41]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20040510234159.EAMT20937.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.0.14]> for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 19:41:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <20040510185826.GT8616@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <20040510182426.93603.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> <20040510185826.GT8616@skunk.reutershealth.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-698617645 Message-Id: <9F69C90E-A2DB-11D8-ACF8-00039362FD2A@macsrule.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:41:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-archive-position: 7775 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@macsrule.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@macsrule.com Subject: [lojban] Re: loglan/lojban masses/sets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22238 --Apple-Mail-1-698617645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed On May 10, 2004, at 2:58 PM, jcowan@reutershealth.com wrote: > Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > >> As far as I know it doesn't have anything like lo'e/le'e >> either. > > Loglan has lo'e (viz. loe); I don't think it has anything like le'e. I never agreed with JCB about what he called sets but that's the way=20 it is. In his usage it is just a collective term, for which we use a=20 lot of specialized words in E, such as herd, pack, flock, (without=20 getting into clowders, prides etc.) From the Loglan dictionary lee, LW RH '92 7+ (art) the (one or more things I mean which actually are)=85, if there= =20 is such, otherwise the empty set (see le and laa) laa, Afx JCB '88 7+ (af) a combining form of langa, long. (art) The (unique object which actually is)=85if such exists,=20 otherwise the empty set. (see le and lee) cu, LW L4 '75 1.0 (af) a suffix attaching to number words (NI) forming an=20 indefinite-set descriptor. E.g., tocu in: Tocu kicmu pa kiuklu levi=20 nordje Some two doctors operated (together) on this patient. Cf. To=20 kicmu pa kiukli levi nordje Each of some two doctors operated=20 independently on this patient. (c) whether (or not), between modified/fying words. ro, LW L4 '75 1.0 (a) many/a large number of set=85, a quantifying operator. =96ro (af) =85=96st/=96nd/=96rd/=96th, the quality ordinal suffix, post= fixed to=20 integers e.g. le tori gudbi bedpu =96 the second=96best bed.=20 --Apple-Mail-1-698617645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 On May 10, 2004, at 2:58 PM, jcowan@reutershealth.com wrote: Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: As far as I know it doesn't have anything like lo'e/le'e either.=20 Loglan has lo'e (viz. loe); I don't think it has anything like le'e. I never agreed with JCB about what he called sets but that's the = way it is. In his usage it is just a collective term, for which we use a lot of specialized words in E, such as herd, pack, flock, (without getting into clowders, prides etc.) =46rom the Loglan dictionary Genevalee,=20 LW RH '92 7+ (art) 0000,0000,FFFFthe (one or more things I mean which actually are)=85, if there is such, otherwise the empty set (see le and laa)=20 =20 laa,=20 0000,7F7F,0000< Afx JCB '88 7+ (af) a combining form of langa, long. =20 (art) 0000,0000,FFFFThe (unique object which actually is)=85if such exists, otherwise the empty set. (see le and lee)=20 =20 cu,=20 LW L4 '75 1.0 (af) a suffix attaching to 0000,0000,FFFFnumber words (NI) forming an 0000,0000,FFFFindefinite-set descriptor. E.g., tocu in: Tocu kicmu pa kiuklu levi nordje=20 Some two doctors operated (together) on this patient. Cf. To kicmu pa kiukli levi nordje Each of some two doctors operated independently on this patient. =20 (c) 0000,0000,FFFFwhether (or not), between modified/fying words. =20 ro,=20 LW L4 '75 1.0 (a) 0000,0000,FFFFmany/a large number of set=85, a quantifying operator. =20 =96ro (af) =85=96st/=96nd/=96rd/=96th, the quality ordinal suffix, = postfixed to integers e.g. le tori gudbi bedpu =96 the second=96best bed. = = --Apple-Mail-1-698617645--