From phma@webjockey.net Sun May 02 07:57:13 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23980 invoked from network); 2 May 2004 14:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2004 14:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2004 14:57:12 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 79D2A4B91; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:57:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <1ef.1f765210.2dc645e8@wmconnect.com> In-Reply-To: <1ef.1f765210.2dc645e8@wmconnect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200405021057.09030.phma@webjockey.net> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 208.150.110.21 From: Pierre Abbat Subject: Re: [lojban] syllabification rules X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22098 On Sunday 02 May 2004 08:39, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 2004-05-02 5:21:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lojbab writes: > > I believe we specified rules back in the original morphology paper (which > > predates Lojban, being a modified version of a paper about TLI Loglan), > > notebook 3 "the present state of the loglan language" pp. 23-24: > "1.15 The Pair-from-the-Left Rule: The default rule for grouping a > written string of vowels into pairs is to start pairing them from the left > and to restart the pairing process at any marked pause or syllable-break > encountered. Once this is done we have to examine the pairs so made to see > whether they are obligatory monosyllables, obligatory disyllables, or > optional disyllables." then he gives the example [aiuiaoea] and resolves it > into syllables as (igh-wee-ow-EIGH-aa). > if there aren't any lojban rules, this could be a starting point, rather > than start from scratch. This is the same rule as in Lojban, except that [ao] is not a diphthong in Lojban, so it is pronounced [ai,ui,a,o,E,a]. Syllabicating consonants is more complicated because there are syllabic consonants and non-syllabic consonants, as well as pairs of consonants that can't appear at the beginning of a word. It is possible to have clusters longer than 2 with no initial pairs in the middle of a word, for instance {gejrxakpte} (don't ask me what the botanical name is, I just made it up); syllabicating such words requires that a syllable end or begin with a non-initial cluster. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa