From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 10 12:19:47 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35399 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2004 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2004 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BNGJ7-0006dJ-LZ for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:19:22 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BNGIZ-0006cn-Kg; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:18:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 May 2004 12:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BNGIP-0006ca-1d for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 May 2004 12:18:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 12:18:37 -0700 Message-ID: <20040510191837.GK5570@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040510184743.GE5570@digitalkingdom.org> <20040510190631.22171.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040510190631.22171.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7752 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: My parser, SI, SA, and ZOI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22215 On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 12:06:31PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Mon, May 10, 2004 at 11:42:08AM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > > {zei zei da} at the beginning of text? > > In other words, it creates a lujvo that means "zei type-of da". > > > > Which is what I think a human would expect. > > Yes, except that it is a funny lujvo that can only appear at the > beginning of a text. I suppose {zei bu} is also a BY? Again, it can > only appear at the beginning of a text. What? My parser handles it exactly the same way in "mi broda lo zei zei da" and "mi broda zei zei da". "zei bu" you seem to be correct on, and that follows from their relative priorities. I've just told BU to not work on ZEI, ever, to avoid that special case. > > > In {zo da si de}, {zo da bu}, {zo da zei de}, we have zo and > > > something else fighting over the same word, one pulling from the > > > left and the other from the right. We just have to define which > > > one has priority, and the other one should act on what remains. > > > > I don't see any reason to over-ride grammar.300 on that point: ZO > > has higher priority. But then we're back to whether or not SI eats > > more than one word, which grammar.300 says it does not. > > When zo fights with these words directly, it always wins: > {zo si}, {zo bu}, {zo zei}, so I don't see any reason for it not to > win when it fights with them over a third word. If {zo da} can be a > single word for {bu} and for {zei} to grab, Is that exactly the question that we're discussing? As far as I can tell, zo da is *never* considered a single word. The official parser doesn't accept "zo da bu", nor "zo da zei broda", so I'm not sure where you get the idea that "{zo da} can be a single word for {bu} and for {zei} to grab" ? > It is also possible to decide that when there is an intervening word, > zo loses: so {zo (da si de)}. But then why not {zo (da bu)} and {zo > (da zei de)}? da'i I was arguing for that position[1], I would say that it's because deletion of a single quoted word makes sense, but using an already-quoted word in another context does not. -Robin [1]: At this point, I have no idea what I'm arguing for, I'm just confused. -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi