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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@webjockey.net>
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: word for "action"
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On Friday 14 May 2004 06:29, Philip Newton wrote:
> "ni sutra" is (as I understand it) a tanru and is, in principle, more
> vague, while lujvo have one precise meaning, similar to gismu. (I think
> a favourite example is that "gerku zdani" could be a house that a dog
> lives in, or a house shaped like a dog, or something else composed of
> the meanings of "gerku" and "zdani", while the lujvo "gerzda" has one
> meaning - whatever the dictionary defined it to have.)
>
> Now, with tanru that have NU (e.g. ni, nu, ka) as their first component
> as a gismu as their second, the ambiguity is probably much less, but I
> wouldn't claim that "ni sutra" and "nilsutra" express "exactly the same
> thing".

{ni sutra} is not a tanru. {ni} is followed by a clause, as in {le ni le 
falkone cu sutra}.

> Is jbovlaste the official dictionary of lujvo expansions? If not, is
> there one? Are all lujvo in NORALUJV.txt official?

NORALUJV has some known errors, probably due to mijyjbo interference, e.g. 
{xukske} for {xumske}. Jbovlaste is still being written; it won't become 
official until an editor or editors go through the whole list and weed out 
bad definitions.

> (Interestingly, jbofihe translates "dikyjvo" as "regular (na'i) lujvo;
> misnomer for ri'ijvo" but I'd never heard "ri'ijvo" before. It does
> make a bit of sense now that I've looked at the definition of ritli,
> especially the x3 and x4 places, but I though "seljvajvo" was the
> currently accepted term.)

I say just {jvajvo}. Jvajvo have nothing to do with regularly occurring events 
or ceremonies, so {dikyjvo} and {ri'ijvo} don't make sense.

phma
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