From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri May 07 00:37:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74648 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 07:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 07:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 07:37:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BLzv0-0004vj-NM for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:37:15 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BLzuE-0004vH-KU; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:36:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 07 May 2004 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoper.com ([199.232.160.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BLzu4-0004v5-3R for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:36:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 11937 invoked by uid 1012); 7 May 2004 07:36:14 -0000 Received: from mail@raphael.poss.name by beta.zettai.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (clamdscan: 0.70. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(213.41.129.7):. Processed in 0.340634 secs); 07 May 2004 07:36:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imladris.raphael.poss.name) (mail@raphael.poss.name@213.41.129.7) by 0 with SMTP; 7 May 2004 07:36:13 -0000 References: <20040506003409.GI7020@digitalkingdom.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20040506181623.032d1340@pop.east.cox.net> <20040507005112.GL7020@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 09:36:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040507005112.GL7020@digitalkingdom.org> (Robin Lee Powell's message of "Thu, 6 May 2004 17:51:12 -0700") Message-ID: <87vfj8ofiu.fsf@raphael.poss.name> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 7678 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban@raphael.poss.name X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: lojban@raphael.poss.name (=?iso-8859-1?q?Rapha=EBl_Poss?=) From: lojban-out@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@raphael.poss.name Subject: [lojban] Re: My parser, SI, SA, and ZOI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22144 Robin Lee Powell writes: >> Also, from a making-sense point of view, I prefer "si" after the >> closing delimiter to delete the entire zoi phrase (back to and >> including the zoi). To say that "The first SI after the close of a >> ZOI clause erases the closing delimiter..." would make one think the >> next thing said is part of the inside of the ZOI; so you would never >> be able to get back to the ZOI. > > Yes, I understand your point completely. I'd love to hear other people > chime in on this point. The problem is that SI is only supposed to > erase one previous word, so we're moving in to the realm of "not > justifiable under current standards". Besides, we have a design flaw if "si" is supposed to step back into the ZOI construct "word per word" : what is a word outside Lojban ? How "si" is going to affect the construct if we cannot break it down into words in the lojban sense of the term ? -- . . . _ - --------\ : Raphaël Poss JID Elrond@jabber.dk · ICQ 1757157 | | EPITA CSI 2003 · http://raphael.poss.name · GnuPG fp ...3b72e72b : \------ - _ . . '