From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 06 17:52:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 889 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 00:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2004 00:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2004 00:52:07 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BLtav-0000Qp-S6 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:52:06 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BLtaG-0000QH-Gu; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:51:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 06 May 2004 17:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BLta4-0000Q8-Tw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:51:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:51:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20040507005112.GL7020@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040506003409.GI7020@digitalkingdom.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20040506181623.032d1340@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20040506181623.032d1340@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: My parser, SI, SA, and ZOI X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22143 On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 06:20:33PM -0400, Nora LeChevalier wrote: [long explanation of what my parser does snipped] > I think I've seen someone use "si" as the delimiter. This majorly > complicates things, no? Not at all. My parser has no problems with this. I just tested this on "zoi si I love zoi! si" and "zoi si I love zoi! si si Really! si" Both of which do exactly what I said they would do. > Also, from a making-sense point of view, I prefer "si" after the > closing delimiter to delete the entire zoi phrase (back to and > including the zoi). To say that "The first SI after the close of a > ZOI clause erases the closing delimiter..." would make one think the > next thing said is part of the inside of the ZOI; so you would never > be able to get back to the ZOI. Yes, I understand your point completely. I'd love to hear other people chime in on this point. The problem is that SI is only supposed to erase one previous word, so we're moving in to the realm of "not justifiable under current standards". > I had this trouble with the current version, too, by the way. There > is a precedent for this. When applying a UI, if it's after something > like a le broda ku, it applies to the whole le ... ku construct. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi