From arj@nvg.org Thu May 27 14:22:51 2004 Return-Path: Date: Thu May 27 14:22:51 2004 X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37228 invoked from network); 27 May 2004 21:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2004 21:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2004 21:22:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BTSKv-0002Yb-20 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 27 May 2004 14:22:49 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BTSK9-0001uY-0I; Thu, 27 May 2004 14:22:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 27 May 2004 14:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67] ident=[tA+x6pY4+MkdXkgzJzOFyL8LZcDQu0Eu]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BTSJt-0001kA-WA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 27 May 2004 14:21:46 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.68]:56287 "EHLO hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]" whoson: "gunnarre") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Thu, 27 May 2004 23:21:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:21:29 +0200 (CEST) X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no In-Reply-To: <20040527210758.70420.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20040527210758.70420.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-archive-position: 7981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Arnt Richard Johansen Reply-To: arj@nvg.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Flag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=149088015 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbo X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22440 On Thu, 27 May 2004, Jorge Llambías wrote: > --- pedagoguery wrote: > > I've put up a few more quick designs in the "graphics" directory. I > > think A and D are best. Design D is more explicit with the > > Cartesian system, while A is less of an abrupt change from the > > official design. > > I like design A. But I'm not sure blue on blue looks > flaggy enough. There actually are traditional rules for this kind of things. Colours are classified in groups, called "hues" and "metals". Two different hues should not be adjacent, neither two different metals. Traditionally, white and yellow are metals, while all other colours are hues. Although this is not strictly followed in all world flags, hues that would otherwise be adjacent, are usually separated by a tiny band of white or yellow. I didn't like most of the designs offered by Jeff, though. I though the triple-ring Venn diagram was very striking, but I don't like square flags in general, and the off-center coordinate axes ruined it a bit. For those of you who are in the know: are there any official drawing of the Lojban logo, or is it only the description ("rectilinear coordinate system superimposed on a Venn diagram") that is official? In the latter case, most of Jeff's drawing could be taken as valid Lojban logos. > The official colors of Lojban should be {cicna} and {nukni}. > It is so strange to have these two as basic color terms, > that there must be a reason for them, they must be very > important in Lojbanistan. Having a light blue background on a Lojban flag seems to be very common, but nowhere mentioned. I remember asking the very same question here many years ago -- which colours the Lojban flag had/should have -- and Michael Helsem answered, IIRC, "solji je rijno". -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ "My speech recognition software may have trouble with ordinary words, but not with ketoprofen." --Magnus Itland