From lojbab@lojban.org Sat May 01 04:53:17 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48946 invoked from network); 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakermmtao09.cox.net) (68.230.240.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2004 11:53:16 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.228.12.146]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with ESMTP id <20040501115311.OISY5659.lakermmtao09.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 07:53:11 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20040501074935.03d63ec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: lojbab@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 07:53:14 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200404302328.48107.phma@webjockey.net> References: <200404302000.15455.phma@webjockey.net> <20040430234418.78701.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> <200404302000.15455.phma@webjockey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 68.230.240.30 From: Bob LeChevalier Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Why capital letters standing in for letterals is a *bad* idea. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22087 At 11:28 PM 4/30/04 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Friday 30 April 2004 20:00, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > There are fixed rules for breaking syllables between vowels, but AFAIK not > > between consonants. Thus {tciuaua} is /tciu,AU,a/, but {baknrto} (some > > animal mentioned in the food laws in Deuteronomy) could be /BA,knrto/ > > (which is what valfendi does internally), /BAK,nr,to/ (which is how I > > pronounce it), /BA,kn,rto/, autc. > >A related question is when are two words, differing in stress and/or >syllabication, the same. If you say /spat,r,xa,PI,o/ and I say >/spa,TRXA,pio/, we are nessecelery talking about the same kind of plant. But >if we both say /UA,cin,tyn/, I might be talking about the city on the Potomac >and you about the state in the Northwest, while we could say /pa,RIS/ and >/PA,ris/ and be talking about the same city, or different cities. Are {paRIS} >and {PAris} the same word? In Lojban, no. However, "PA,ris" and "PAR,is" and "PAR,r,is" are the same word, even though the last has a different number of syllables. -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org