From ragnarok@pobox.com Sun May 30 20:50:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68169 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 03:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 03:50:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserv1.intrex.net) (209.42.192.236) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 03:50:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98C9E421 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from craig (client212-89.dsl.intrex.net [209.42.212.89]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CF8BE431 for ; Sun, 30 May 2004 23:49:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:51:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200405301849.26311.phma@phma.hn.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by viruswatch at intrex.net X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.42.192.236 From: "Craig" Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22472 >> Hi. My name's Roly, I'm new here and I'm from near Oxford in England. I've >> tried learning lojban with the lessons available, but i found it rather >> hard to understand them, especially not knowing the first thing about >> computer codes. Do you know of any lessons or anything that explain lojban >> using english grammatical terms (or at least saying 'they don't have this >> that or the other bit of grammar in lojban, but they use this method >> instead'). I also find it difficult to remember what all the totally >> unfamiliar new words are such as 'cmene' and the like, which are used >> throughout the lesson to refer back to what you've learnt - i keep having >> to look back to check what something means. Of course lojabn is going to be >> a bit tricky compared to a euroclone language becuase it's so alien, but i >> think it can probably be explained more like most langauges are. If there >> are no such lessons, perhaps someone would be willing to act as my personal >> online tutor?! :-) Thanks lots. All the best. Roly. >I started one; it's at http://phma.hn.org/Language/lojban-intro.html . Let me >know which of the topics to write about and I'll teach you. I notice you equate nouns with cmene. While that works, a way to think about it that I find easier is that cmene are the only words which are inherently nouns. My way of thinking about it is that (most - li and la are obvious exceptions) gadri serve as particles which convert verbs to nouns and articles all in one nice little package. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org