From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 31 02:54:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15332 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 09:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 09:54:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 09:54:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BUjRS-0008NK-Fi for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 May 2004 02:50:50 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUjHl-0008IZ-HG; Mon, 31 May 2004 02:40:49 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 31 May 2004 02:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.167.170.152] (helo=bowl.fysh.org ident=mail) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.32) id 1BUjHF-0008IC-Ra for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 31 May 2004 02:40:23 -0700 Received: from zefram by bowl.fysh.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BUjGr-0008IA-00 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 10:39:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:39:53 +0100 Message-ID: <20040531093953.GK22101@fysh.org> References: <200405301849.26311.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 8018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zefram@fysh.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Zefram From: Zefram Reply-To: zefram@fysh.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22474 Craig wrote: >I notice you equate nouns with cmene. While that works, a way to think about >it that I find easier is that cmene are the only words which are inherently >nouns. cmevla == proper noun. (Tangent: I see a distinction between cmene and cmevla that is not maintained in much of the teaching material. Many documents use "cmene" to refer specifically to cmevla.) -zefram