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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:11:38 -0000
Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Flag
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--- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2004, pedagoguery wrote:
> 
>> I've put up a simpler Lojban flag in the files area ("graphics"
>> directory). Comments? I removed the lines from the original
>> flag and turned the arrowheads into equilateral triangles.
> 
> Your drawing does look nice, but I'm not yet sure if it looks
> nicer than the "canonical"  drawings of it. In any case I
> don't like the loss of the coordinate system, because it
> has a symbolism that is at least somewhat important.

Thanks for your kind comments and thanks for explaining some 
of the symbolism that Xah alluded to earlier.

I think the arrowheads alone are enough to evoke the Cartesian 
coördinate system --- in a flag, at least.

I've put up a few more quick designs in the "graphics" directory. I 
think A and D are best. Design D is more explicit with the 
Cartesian system, while A is less of an abrupt change from the 
official design.

In terms of complexity / clutter, I think design D is perhaps a bit 
too simple, design B is a bit too complex, and design A is just 
about right. I think design A's explicit inclusion of all four 
quadrants of the Cartesian system is a good feature.

If one wanted to really emphasize the quantitative nature of 
Cartesian coördinates, I think one would probably want ticks 
included on the axes.

I'd like to have a flag that would reproduce well at small sizes.


> People have previously complained that it looks to thin,
> "weak", "not striking", etc. I think those complaints could
> be alleviated somewhat by making heavier lines, and by
> emphasizing the arrowheads, as you did.
> 
> I've also noticed that the Lojban logo tends to look better
> with the middle space of the Venn diagram (ie. A & B) very
> wide, so that the vertical axis of the coordinate system
> obscures as little as possible of it.

It is this sort of thing that lead me to a simpler design. Design B 
has the Venn circles further apart than before.


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