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--- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Pierre Abbat <phma@w...> 
wrote:
> > flecu (x1 is a flow at x2 flowing to x3 from x4)
> > +
> > matra (x1 is a motor, driving/powering x2)
> > =
> > flematra (m1=f1 is a hydroelectric station powering m2)
> 
> jaurflematra to be specific. ro brife cu flecu

The official definition of flecu includes current/flow/river. I 
suppose it could mean any liquid (it only pertains to 
liquids....right??), but I don't think we need to specify water. I *
could* use rirxe, but the lujvo would be uglier.

> I think all these -matra lujvo should have the power source in 
x3. The sun 
> can't motor a car down the street without some device. x1 is the 
device, x2 
> is the car, and x3 is the sun.

Yeah, I knew I'd get hammered for that. But the solri doesn't just 
mean sun; it means solar. So solmatra is a solar motor, or a 
motor somehow related to the sun. Same goes for all the other 
ones.

> 
> > rarna (x1 is natural)
> > +
> > mapti (x1 fits/is appropriate for x2 in property x3)
> > =
> > rarmapti (m1 is ergonomic for m2=r1 in property m3)
> 
> Not sure if this naturally fits the meaning ;)

Yeah, its a little too broad. But it should be clear that we are 
talking about something physically ergonomic in a tanru like 
"rarmapti stizu".

> 
> > jmina (x1 adds x2 to x3 to make x4)
> > +
> > cange (x1 is a farm at x2 farmed by x3 making x4)
> > =
> > mincange (c1 is an aquaponics farm at c2 farmed by c3=j1
> > making c4=j4)
> > [Note: aquaponics combines fish & plant farming]
> 
> Obscure. Why not {spajoifipcange}?

Five syllables vs. three. I wanted something short, so I thought of 
"combination farm". I might go with your suggestion just for 
clarity, though.

> 
> > spati (x1 is a plant of species x2)
> > +
> > jurme (x1 is a 1-celled lifeform of species/property x2)
> > =
> > spajurme (j1=s1 is algae of species/property j2=s2)
> 
> I just say {alga}.

Fu'ivla? I guess that would work. Spajurme is a little dangerous 
anyway, since some people think they are protists, not plants.

> 
> > canlu (x1 is space/room occupied by x2)
> > +
> > platu (x1 plans/designs x2 for state/process x3)
> > =
> > calpla (p1 is an architect of p2=c1 for state/process p3)
> 
> I think {dijypla} is better (building designer). lo calpla, to me, is 
someone 
> who designs living space, or plans the best use of space, or 
the like.

Being an aspiring architect myself, I was even reluctant to use 
canlu! I wanted something like vanbi, since an architect is 
responsible for the entire feeling of the structure. I opted for 
canlu since a vabypla would be moreso a mixture of an architect 
and a stylist/designer. I don't think dinju is good enough, though, 
because architects build more than just buildings.

> 
> > selpla (x1 is planned/designed by x2 for state/process x3)
> > +
> > bangu (x1 is the language used by x2 to express x3)
> > =
> > selplabau (b1=s1 is the conlang used by b2 to express b3)
> 
> You might want to leave x2 of selpla in (x3 is "to express b3"). 
What would 
> {plabau} mean?

I don't suppose plabau would mean anything. If we used plabau 
and your suggestions, it would come out to:

plabau (b1=s2 is a conlang designed by p1 used by b2 to 
express b3=p3)

Does p1 go before b2 or after? I forget what the convention is.

okus