From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu May 13 11:41:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50592 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 18:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2004 18:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2004 18:41:06 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BOL5R-0008Ik-R6 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:37:42 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BOL3z-0008HF-0M; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BOL3o-0008H4-Fr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20040513183600.GJ4461@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7789 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] y: what is it good for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22252 In another thread: rlpowell: Basically, Y is caught anywhere that *any* Lojban word would normally be valid, so it can be used in ZEI, BU, ZOI, and ZO. Probably some others. As an *extra* special case, it cannot have BAhE applied to it, because that would just be silly. xorxes: Why not restrict it to {ybu} only, then, since it is also silly with the other words. You could actually be hesitating, and then you have to start erasing y's, which is very silly. rlpowell: What about 'zo y'? xorxes: {zo y y y nalselmorjyvalsi} should be the same as {zo nalselmorjyvalsi}, you shouldn't be forced into {zo y y y si si si si zo nalselmorjyvalsi}, and that's assuming you actually count your y's when you hesitate... To actually quote the noise you'd need {zoi ly y y y ly}. - ---- I can absolutely see both sides of this argumunt, all the way from "only zoi can quote y, period" through to "even ba'e works on y", and I'd like other people's opinions. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi