From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat May 01 20:29:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58027 invoked from network); 2 May 2004 03:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2004 03:29:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2004 03:29:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BK7fu-0000fU-BY for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 May 2004 20:29:54 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.31) id 1BK7f8-0000ei-BN; Sat, 01 May 2004 20:29:06 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 01 May 2004 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.31) id 1BK7ex-0000eO-UM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 01 May 2004 20:28:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20040502032855.GU14939@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i X-archive-position: 7625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: acronyms take priority (Re: Why capital letters standing in for letterals . . .) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22095 On Sun, May 02, 2004 at 02:13:53AM -0000, la_okus wrote: > Furthermore, acronyms need the capital letters more than stressed > names do. Acutes are a pain to type, but stressed names will almost > certainly not be as common as acronyms. That *must* be a joke. I can neither type nor see accented characters in my setup. "a pain" simply doesn't cover it. Lojban sticks to pure ASCII for good reasons, and any changes to that will be made only over my rotting corpse. > BTW, hexadecimals were mentioned on the wiki. Since they hardly ever > appear in normal prose, probably only the guys of the math end will > ever care about it (does li ABC = li abubycy or li daufeigai?). It doesn't mean *anything* in standard Lojban, because ABC is a one-syllable cmene than doesn't lex (at least I don't think it does). The acronym convention is not standard. I was commenting on a problem it causes for interest's sake only. For the record: I *strongly* prefer capitalizing the whole syllable if we're going to go the character-modification route. If it was my language to re-write, I'd use some form of parenthising, such as pa. Has the advantage of losing something on the order of 21 symbols from the language. But it's not my language to re-write, and it never will be, and there you are. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. "Many philosophical problems are caused by such things as the simple inability to shut up." -- David Stove, liberally paraphrased. http://www.lojban.org/ *** loi pimlu na srana .i ti rokci morsi