From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri May 14 05:40:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60000 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 12:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 12:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 12:40:35 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BObwJ-0003Ec-Dl for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:37:23 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BObvj-0003Dz-OC; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:36:47 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 14 May 2004 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.167.170.152] (helo=bowl.fysh.org ident=mail) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.32) id 1BObvZ-0003Dq-RF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:36:38 -0700 Received: from zefram by bowl.fysh.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BObvU-0006Fs-00; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:32 +0100 Message-ID: <20040514123632.GC23808@fysh.org> References: <20040514033651.GB18460@ccil.org> <20040514122235.41814.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040514122235.41814.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 7837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zefram@fysh.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Zefram From: Zefram Reply-To: zefram@fysh.org Subject: [lojban] Re: word for "action" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22300 I think we've been taking the wrong approach. The way to create an "is an event" selbri in Lojban is to use "nu". "nu co'e kei" avoids specifying the type of event: it's a selbri with place structure "x1 is an event/state/process". The lujvo is "nunco'e". "nunco'e valsi" would lead to a lujvo "nuncomkezvla", or possibly "nuncomvla". -zefram