From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Wed May 19 09:55:19 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40609 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2004 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2004 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BQULa-0002rp-30 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:55:14 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQUKj-0002r6-VP; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:54:22 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 19 May 2004 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu ([128.97.4.125]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BQUKY-0002qO-5m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:54:10 -0700 Received: by simba.math.ucla.edu (Postfix, from userid 228) id 706151B6A6; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by simba.math.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683BB5E0FE; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 7925 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jimc@math.ucla.edu X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: Jim Carter Reply-To: jimc@math.ucla.edu Subject: [lojban] Re: Scripts for Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810565 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22388 On Wed, 19 May 2004, Li wrote: > coi rodo; > I've been ghosting on this list, for a while, but wanted to make > a suggestion, regarding a writing system for lojban. I noted that > Tengwar was suggested, at one point, but I would like to offer 12480, > as an alternative. Check out this site: > http://www.ecclemony.tekpc.net/12480.html for more information. > > mi'o mi'e lylan The background of 12480 glyphs looks cool, though the gradient effect is somewhat spoiled because my window size differs from that of the tiled image, but I couldn't see any of the content because it's in Macromedia Flash with no alternative content. You might be interested in my essay: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/documents/webrant.html On a semi-related point, I had a fictional character who, after a traffic accident, was minus one arm and had brain damage which messed up hearing and voice but spared vision to some degree. She was going to speak Lojban (actually -gua!spi, but the issues are the same) with custom one-handed handsigns. I figured out that she could get away with 12 bits per handsign (4096 possibilities, no redundancy): knuckle and phalange bends, and four positions of wrist rotation. For reasons that are made clear in the story, she has great trouble with English letters, but could manage to do comb-like glyphs representing the handsigns. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Email: jimc@math.ucla.edu http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc (q.v. for PGP key)