From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon May 31 13:54:04 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 748 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserv1.intrex.net) (209.42.192.236) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C9EC650 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 16:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from craig (client212-89.dsl.intrex.net [209.42.212.89]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D7FEC5A8 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 16:53:59 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <40BB9466.6010105@thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Virus-Scanned: by viruswatch at intrex.net X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.42.192.236 From: "Craig" Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22482 >>>> Lojban does not have nouns, verbs etc., and I am >>>>convinced that our endless debates about Lojban articles are partly >>>>caused by the fact that we still think of them as articles. >>>> >>>> >>>Sounds right. I think the best way to think of {lo} is as >>>a selbri-to-sumti converter, without any additional baggage. >>> >>> >> >>To someone who doesn't know Lojban, "selbri" and "sumti" are semantic zeros. >>The closest terms in English, I think, are "verb phrase" and "noun phrase", >> >> >A closer analogy might be Function and Arguments. Closer, yess, but less good when the goal is to explain it from the standpoint of natural language grammar. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org