From ragnarok@pobox.com Fri May 14 10:31:36 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27295 invoked from network); 14 May 2004 17:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2004 17:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailserv1.intrex.net) (209.42.192.236) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2004 17:31:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2061BC389 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from craig (client212-89.dsl.intrex.net [209.42.212.89]) by mailserv1.intrex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 31E95C4E6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:30:50 -0400 (EDT) To: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:31:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20040514162244.GS4461@digitalkingdom.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by viruswatch at intrex.net X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.42.192.236 From: "Craig" Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: y: what is it good for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22315 >> --- "Adam D. Lopresto" wrote: >> > I almost wish ybu weren't, and were replaced with something like >> > pensi bu, but that's going way too far. >> >> Excellent suggestion. >I agree, actually. It is *without* *question* a language change, but >it's a *damned* good idea. pensi bu is already valid, and recognizing that it refers to the same thing as ybu is not any more of a change than when the community agreed that we would refer to the comma as slaka bu. Personally, I'd say we're free to use pensi bu all we like, with the mutual understanding that it is equivalent in meaning to ybu, provided ybu remains valid. As for zoi, I prefer to use zoizoi...zoi because it's helpful to train yourself to use one thing consistently except where it's a problem. Many people get into the habit of using zoigy...gy, which is more likely to be invalid if you are quoting a language with an y phoneme. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org