From xod@thestonecutters.net Mon May 31 13:25:37 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10826 invoked from network); 31 May 2004 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2004 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2004 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BUtLe-0001lM-Dc for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:25:30 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUtKj-0001kj-Lw; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:24:33 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 31 May 2004 13:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thestonecutters.net ([63.251.19.112] helo=chert.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUtKO-0001kR-6o for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 31 May 2004 13:24:12 -0700 Received: from thestonecutters.net (h-67-101-255-70.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net [67.101.255.70]) by chert.thestonecutters.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46415148006 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 16:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40BB9466.6010105@thestonecutters.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:24:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20040531124525.92306.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> <200405310910.01587.phma@phma.hn.org> In-Reply-To: <200405310910.01587.phma@phma.hn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 8025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 From: xod Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net Subject: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22481 Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Monday 31 May 2004 08:45, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > > >>--- Robin Turner wrote: >> >> >>> Lojban does not have nouns, verbs etc., and I am >>>convinced that our endless debates about Lojban articles are partly >>>caused by the fact that we still think of them as articles. >>> >>> >>Sounds right. I think the best way to think of {lo} is as >>a selbri-to-sumti converter, without any additional baggage. >> >> > >To someone who doesn't know Lojban, "selbri" and "sumti" are semantic zeros. >The closest terms in English, I think, are "verb phrase" and "noun phrase", > > A closer analogy might be Function and Arguments. -- Motorists honked in celebration in this Ramadi as news spread of the assassination of the president of the Iraqi Governing Council Ezzidin Salim Monday. "The GC is nothing," one man shouted. "They are not the Governing Council. They are the Prostitution Council."