From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 30 15:53:42 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17807 invoked from network); 30 May 2004 22:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2004 22:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2004 22:53:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BUZBH-0008Pc-RE for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:53:27 -0700 Received: from dsl081-049-134.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([64.81.49.134] helo=chain.digitalkingdom.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUZ92-0008Es-N8; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:51:08 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 30 May 2004 15:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [208.150.110.21] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BUZ8b-0008E8-Ps for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 30 May 2004 15:50:43 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BEDD44B9F; Sun, 30 May 2004 22:49:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 18:49:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200405301849.26311.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Learning Lojban X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22467 On Sunday 30 May 2004 18:03, Roly Sookias/Roly Sukias wrote: > Hi. My name's Roly, I'm new here and I'm from near Oxford in England. I've > tried learning lojban with the lessons available, but i found it rather > hard to understand them, especially not knowing the first thing about > computer codes. Do you know of any lessons or anything that explain lojban > using english grammatical terms (or at least saying 'they don't have this > that or the other bit of grammar in lojban, but they use this method > instead'). I also find it difficult to remember what all the totally > unfamiliar new words are such as 'cmene' and the like, which are used > throughout the lesson to refer back to what you've learnt - i keep having > to look back to check what something means. Of course lojabn is going to be > a bit tricky compared to a euroclone language becuase it's so alien, but i > think it can probably be explained more like most langauges are. If there > are no such lessons, perhaps someone would be willing to act as my personal > online tutor?! :-) Thanks lots. All the best. Roly. I started one; it's at http://phma.hn.org/Language/lojban-intro.html . Let me know which of the topics to write about and I'll teach you. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa