From MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Fri Jun 25 11:38:07 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18153 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2004 18:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2004 18:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m18.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.208) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2004 18:38:06 -0000 Received: from MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id r.a9.5b08683b (25711) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:37:57 EDT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a9.5b08683b.2e0dcb05_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 12 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.12.138.208 From: MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com Subject: terminators X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137764184 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbaner X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22599 --part1_a9.5b08683b.2e0dcb05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are currently 21 terminators in Lojban. Would it be possible (though I'm not proposing it) to create just one terminator to be used with every selma'o that currently has its own terminator? Some examples of selma'o and their respective terminators: BE be'o BY/PA boi COI/DOI do'u FIhO fe'u What I'm wondering is whether "be'o", "boi", "do'u", "fe'u", and etc. could be replaced by a two-part terminator consisting of a word from the selma'o, e.g. "be" for selma'o BE, and some other distinct cmavo, such as "vau". Thus "be'o" would become "be vau", "boi" - "by vau", "do'u" - "coi vau", "fe'u" - "fi'o vau", etc. Thus 20 cmavo would become available for other uses (assuming one was retained as the new terminator), and the task of learning 21 terminators would be reduced to learning one. My question, though, is not "Is it desirable?". The question is: Would it be possible to simply replace the terminators in the current grammar with this new kind of terminator? Would the grammar still work? I suspect look-ahead problems and/or undesirable interactions. And what is the Lojban term for this kind of terminator? Something like "jufra fanmo" (or "jufyfa'o" as a lujvo)? stevo --part1_a9.5b08683b.2e0dcb05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are currently 21 terminators i= n Lojban.  Would it be possible (though I'm not proposing it) to creat= e just one terminator to be used with every selma'o that currently has its = own terminator?

Some examples of selma'o and their respective terminators:
BE            &n= bsp;  be'o
BY/PA         boi
COI/DOI    do'u
FIhO          fe'u

What I'm wondering is whether "be'o", "boi", "do'u", "fe'u", and etc. c= ould be replaced by a two-part terminator consisting of a word from the sel= ma'o, e.g. "be" for selma'o BE, and some other distinct cmavo, such as "vau= ".  Thus "be'o" would become "be vau", "boi" - "by vau", "do'u" - "coi= vau", "fe'u" - "fi'o vau", etc.

Thus 20 cmavo would become available for other uses (assuming one was r= etained as the new terminator), and the task of learning 21 terminators wou= ld be reduced to learning one.

My question, though, is not "Is it desirable?".  The question is: =  Would it be possible to simply replace the terminators in the current= grammar with this new kind of terminator?  Would the grammar still wo= rk?  I suspect look-ahead problems and/or undesirable interactions.

And what is the Lojban term for this kind of terminator?  Somethin= g like "jufra fanmo" (or "jufyfa'o" as a lujvo)?
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