From cowan@ccil.org Tue Jun 08 07:25:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9236 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 14:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2004 14:25:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:25:02 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BXhX1-0004q7-48; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:24:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:24:51 -0400 To: Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Llamb=EDas?= Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040608142451.GS4386@ccil.org> References: <20040608121153.GJ4386@ccil.org> <20040608125218.38666.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040608125218.38666.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 192.190.237.100 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Principles X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=212516 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22516 Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > {soi} works for "and vice versa", but not for "or vice versa". It can't imagine anyone using "or vice versa" in a flat declarative sentence like "Fido bit Rover or vice versa": to say that is to admit an ignorance too profound for words. I think that "or vice versa" is far more likely when in the scope of a negation (as here) or perhaps in a contrastive question ("Did Fido bite Rover, or [was it] vice versa?"). I don't have the solution here, but I feel it has something to do with negation scope. -- "Do I contradict myself? John Cowan Very well then, I contradict myself. jcowan@reutershealth.com I am large, I contain multitudes. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan --Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass http://www.reutershealth.com