From reverendzow@yahoo.com Sat Jul 24 02:23:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: reverendzow@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3808 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 09:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 09:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 09:23:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.143] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jul 2004 09:23:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 09:23:51 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <537d06d00407240110782d737a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2182 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.65 From: "reverendzow" X-Originating-IP: 66.241.95.142 Subject: Re: Projects X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=193074467 X-Yahoo-Profile: reverendzow X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22742 --- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Philip Newton wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:52:33 -0000, reverendzow wrote: > > Another possibility here is the use of radicals, esp. if CVC/CCV/CVV > > are similarly equivalent. > > Yes, I suppose - it would, in theory, be sufficient in writing to > indicate "this is not the gismu {broda} but its rafsi"; the actual > pronunciation could then be chosen at will. For example, the compound > "rafsi-of-condi + rafsi-of-bloti" could be pronounced as any of coiblo > (the "canonical" or default form due to the scoring rules), cnoblo, > conblo, cnolo'i, conlo'i, coirlo'i, cnobloti, conbloti, condybloti, > condylo'i, coirbloti, or condybloti (in ascending order of score). > > On the other hand, any two adjacent gismu with the rafsi radical would > combine to a lujvo, so you'd still have to mark which ones go together > - since the five rafsi A B C D E could combine as the lujvo "ABCDE", > or the tanru "ABC DE" or "AB CDE", each composed of two lujvo, and the > notation I'm talking about can't distinguish between the two. (All > three forms would be difference, since the tanru "A B" does not mean > exactly the same thing as the lujvo "AB", though it'll often have that > meaning as one of its possibilities.) > > So just using a generic rafsi radical wouldn't be enough; you'd either > have to have a glue marker or an unglue marker as well. > > Cheers, > -- > Philip Newton Ah, but that's not what I meant about using radicals. Any word which can be used directly in forming lujvo would -be- a radical; therefore, any single character which was composed of such radicals would be a lujvo or {X zei Y}. Also, a lujvo-forming radical could be used instead of a "this is any one of my rafsi" radical, to indicate "the following and I are part of one lujvo." This could have multiple versions if there are multiple, significantly different ways to form a lujvo. Otherwise, I think a reciter of the {valsi zei lerfu} (vlaler, vlale'u, or what?) could pick which way to say it. This is trying to be confusing right now. Sleep; more post later.