From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Jul 23 18:56:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29830 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 01:56:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BoBlC-0000yT-W9 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:55:39 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BoBk2-0000rV-CX; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:54:26 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BoBjp-0000ph-Ar for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:54:13 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EFEEF4B02; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:28:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407231628.46201.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Projects X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22730 On Friday 23 July 2004 15:00, reverendzow wrote: > What's a BPFK? I think such a change -could- happen, but to do so, > the following would have to occur: Someone creates a new Lojban > vocabulary that has major improvements over the current one (although > this is not necessarily possible), then the existing (and relatively > small as I understand it) Lojban community would need to be convinced > that this new vocabulary was worth the work in switching. $0.02 baupla fuzykamni: language design committee. This is a committee charged with defining the meanings of cmavo, gathering whatever usage there has been of them, and fixing anything that's broken. We had a very long and sometimes incomprehensible (at least to me) discussion about the meaning of {lo}, with such examples as {mi nitcu lo mikce} and {lo pavyseljirna cu blabi} (though both were around before the BPFK started on the problem). For {mi nitcu lo mikce} the problem is: does that imply {da poi mikce zo'u mi nitcu da}? That is, if I need a doctor, is there a doctor that I need? This depends on whether {lo mikce} is interpreted extensionally or intensionally. For {lo pavyseljirna cu blabi}: does "unicorns are white" imply that unicorns exist? phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa