From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Jul 24 12:52:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58333 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2004 19:52:51 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BoSZc-0003Xf-3Q for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:52:48 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BoSZ2-0003X4-W1; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:52:13 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BoSYr-0003Wn-8v for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:52:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20040724195201.GC11612@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20040723185133.GK1876@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040723200522.11682.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040723200522.11682.qmail@web41901.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i X-archive-position: 8323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: mekso samples. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22746 On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:05:22PM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > --- Robin: > > Err, no. "average information per symbol" is /N. I was just > > giving you a search phrase. > > Page 121: "We therefore find the expected information in a message, > which we write ." I is the information, so "the expected value of > I" is right for . > > Now, how to say that in lojban is a different matter. > {lo pacna vamji be ibu}? It's in mekso, for one thing. For another, expectation is to'e spaji (according to the definition of spaji, it's nalspaji, but that's clearly wrong). {li na'u tolspaji vamji i bu} is now translated by my parser in LaTeX mode as { $ \langle i \rangle $ }. Thanks. Now I need to re-create the formula to test this new operator, unless someone has a copy. :-P -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!"