From sentto-44114-22814-1091595886-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Aug 03 22:05:27 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n45.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.67.21]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BsDxn-0003Mh-EO for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:05:19 -0700 Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2004 05:04:46 -0000 X-Sender: jfm3@ouroboros-complex.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82301 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2004 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2004 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.76) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2004 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.163] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2004 05:03:30 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.76 From: "jfm3jfm3jfm3" X-Originating-IP: 24.225.157.169 X-Yahoo-Profile: jfm3jfm3jfm3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:03:29 -0000 Subject: [lojban] benefits of separation between semantics and grammar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jfm3@ouroboros-complex.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Hello. .u'u I'm not ready to post in Lojban yet. I'm still in awe of it. Lojban has unambiguous grammar. That is, we need not correctly guess the meaning of an utterance to understand how the utterance parses. This is obviously useful when talking to machines, but the literature I've read so far suggests that the engineers of Lojban were more interested in unambiguous grammar because of its implications in light of the SWH. Is this still important to the Lojban community? Are there any Lojban speakers who can think quickly in Lojban? Does it make a difference? Are there other benefits to be reaped from unambiguous grammar, aside from talking to machines simply and thinking clearly? (jfm3) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/