From jcowan@reutershealth.com Wed Aug 18 15:15:44 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22046 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 22:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 22:15:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 22:15:43 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03834; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:15:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:15:29 -0400 To: phma@phma.hn.org Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040818221529.GK19287@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <200408181120.49430.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408181120.49430.phma@phma.hn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.246.141.36 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] use of {co'e} and other cmavo in lujvo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22910 Pierre Abbat scripsit: > equivalent of denominal verbs, e.g. {ko remco'e le tcana} "man the > station", The historical (and still current, perhaps) Loglan lujvo was the equivalent of "nanmu gasnu", much derided by Lojban Central as sexist (easily fixed) and ill thought out (not so easily fixed). I think we need to understand the semantics of this English verb "man" and find a true equivalent, rather than blindly calquing it. > Then there's {jomcmi}. That is glossed as "set union" but the place > structure has a stray "j" and doesn't make sense. Since {jo'e} has no > place structure and there's nothing preceding it, I'm stumped. Presumably you want an ad hoc structure like x1 is the union of set x2 and set x3, or x1 is the union of the set of sets x2. -- Ambassador Trentino: I've said enough. I'm a man of few words. Rufus T. Firefly: I'm a man of one word: scram! --Duck Soup John Cowan