Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.46]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BwooI-0008Ho-8z for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:14:30 -0700 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2004 21:14:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.198] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2004 21:14:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93473 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2004 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2004 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2004 21:13:58 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20349; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:55 -0400 To: Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Llamb=EDas?= Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040816211354.GF2998@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <20040816203656.GU10911@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040816205714.83772.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040816205714.83772.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.246.141.36 From: John Cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:55 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: da poi du ro de ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 8463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1443 Lines: 49 Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > > If I say: > > > > da poi du ro de zo'u da broda > > > > Is that strictly equivalent to: > > > > ro de zo'u de broda > > > > In either case, why? > > No. The first one says: that thing which is every thing, is a broda. > Unless there is only one thing in the universe (and it brodas), > then it can't be true. No, you are over-interpreting "da" as "pa da" rather than the correct "su'o da". It says "Each of those things X which are all things Y is a broda", which is the same as "Each thing Y is a broda". The only exception is in the case of an empty universe, which we can disregard. -- Principles. You can't say A is John Cowan made of B or vice versa. All mass http://www.reutershealth.com is interaction. --Richard Feynman http://www.ccil.org/~cowan ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/