Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bycn8-00060D-6m for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:48:46 -0700 Received: from [66.218.66.27] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 20:28:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85834 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 20:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 20:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.252] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2004 20:28:34 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200408210745.04483.phma@phma.hn.org> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.73 From: "Craig Daniel" X-Originating-IP: 209.42.212.89 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:28:30 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 8523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 1240 Lines: 38 > > I would Lojbanize as {PIraxan} or {piraxAN}, since I think the > > is a tap, i.e. an allophone of Lojban /r/, and [x], an allophone > > of /x/, is closer to [h] than is /T/, an allophone of /'/. > > [T] isn't the only allophone of /'/, and AFAIK the choice is dialectal. I say > [h], even in a word {fu'arka} which is a fu'ivla from a word with [T] in it. > I think it should be {pira'AN}. I think it's more useful to give them a culture word of their own such as "prenrpira'a". And I agree with la .pier. about the ', even though I always say it as [T] even when it's clearly meant to be [h]. - mi'e .kreig.daniyl. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/GSaulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lojban/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lojban-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/