From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Aug 30 09:55:05 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56132 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 16:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 16:55:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 16:55:04 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C1pQk-0002Qz-Na for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:54:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1pPz-0002Me-Hl; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:54:07 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.zgs.de ([212.4.227.46]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1pPb-0002Jj-RT for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:53:44 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.zgs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AAB16DA6 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:53:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.zgs.de ([212.4.227.46]) by localhost (msheas02c [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24134-10 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:53:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from online.de (p50835967.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.131.89.103]) by smtp.zgs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF8016C4E for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:53:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41335B3C.50801@online.de> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:52:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; de-AT; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr, de, pt, es, ja, pt-br MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200408272104.18139.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040829200834.GA14095@fysh.org> <200408291747.23681.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040830122901.GA19871@fysh.org> <537d06d004083008564153441a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <537d06d004083008564153441a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at msheas02c.msh.de X-archive-position: 8583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: KSchmir@online.de X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: klaus schmirler From: klaus schmirler Reply-To: KSchmir@online.de Subject: [lojban] [was]: names of the elements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22998 Philip Newton schrieb: > On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:29:01 +0100, Zefram wrote: > >>I thought about that too, and came to the opinion that the "g" would >>have to lose its voicing, yielding "jinmlrontkeni". > > > I'd've picked "jinmlrentkeni", I suppose, since for me [9] is closer > to [E] (simply the rounded version of it) than to [O]. > > mu'o mi'e .filip. Even if it conflates german ä and ö, i like this idea (ü would, going by phonetic similarity, become i). Question: since rounded vowels (except maybe back vowels where the difference is hard to hear--i don't know of any language that opposes rounded and unrounded back vowels) don't exist in lojban, would it be permissible to introduce rounded allophones? for instance in order to show that you know other languages besides lojban [bashful snickereen on my part]. klaus who still doesn't know a word a lojban because i'm almost apalled by lojban's neglect for phonetic considerations (constructing words by the letter, whereas i feel that eg tc and tl are just two more ways of releasing the t, in addition to the--do i guess that right?--permitted allophone t'). ps: maybe someone can give me a hint subscribing and unsubscribing. i'm changing providers and get the list on my new address, but i have to send stuff using the old one. did i do something wrong? (obviously.)