From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Aug 18 15:59:23 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62387 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2004 22:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2004 22:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2004 22:59:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BxZOq-0001G7-Qp for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:59:20 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BxZOF-0001F7-Vl; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:58:44 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BxZO5-0001EI-BM for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:58:33 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 94E4E4B07; Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:57:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200408181120.49430.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040818221529.GK19287@skunk.reutershealth.com> <20040818222022.GV13226@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040818222022.GV13226@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408181857.51329.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: use of {co'e} and other cmavo in lujvo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22913 On Wednesday 18 August 2004 18:20, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > The historical (and still current, perhaps) Loglan lujvo was the > > equivalent of "nanmu gasnu", much derided by Lojban Central as sexist > > (easily fixed) and ill thought out (not so easily fixed). I think we > > need to understand the semantics of this English verb "man" and find a > > true equivalent, rather than blindly calquing it. > > sazri. li'a sai. Not necessarily. If the post has a steering wheel or some such control, then {sazri} is appropriate, but if it's a lookout post, then no. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa