From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Aug 30 01:35:02 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4835 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 08:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2004 08:35:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 08:35:02 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1C1hcu-0005Qi-AD for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:34:56 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1hby-0005Pq-1D; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:58 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.193] helo=mproxy.gmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C1hbP-0005PC-8i for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:23 -0700 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 76so62979rnl for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.164.76 with SMTP id m76mr852820rne; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.15.80 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537d06d004083001332a80f811@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:33:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200408291747.23681.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis References: <200408272104.18139.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040829200834.GA14095@fysh.org> <200408291747.23681.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Philip Newton From: Philip Newton Reply-To: philip.newton@gmail.com Subject: [lojban] Re: names of the elements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22994 On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:47:23 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I'm not sure what to do with "ntg" in Rg. Last time I went > to Germany my luggage came back with stickers saying "Gepäckstück geröntgt", > which I still have trouble pronouncing. I say [g@"R9ntCt] (X-SAMPA), though that may show north German influence (which tends to turn syllable-final /g/ into [x] or [C], depending on the preceding vowel - witness ["flu:xtsOYC] for |Flugzeug|). I suspect that standard German, which has /g/ = [g], may drop the first "t" and make it [g@"R9Nkt]. mu'o mi'e .filip. noi xabju la dotygug. -- Philip Newton