From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Aug 11 11:21:38 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40722 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 18:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 18:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 18:21:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BuxjD-0000NV-S1 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:21:36 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Buxif-0000N2-6a; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:21:01 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1BuxiT-0000MK-CJ for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:20:49 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 570A14B07; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:20:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200408080634.18420.phma@phma.hn.org> <200408110044.09110.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040811162916.GR30673@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040811162916.GR30673@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408111420.15452.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8409 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Lojban Wikipedia is up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22829 On Wednesday 11 August 2004 12:29, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:44:09AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > For instance, I just made up the word {jicyjutsi'o}, added it to > > jbovlaste, and used it in [[finpe]] on Wikipedia. Hopefully someone > > will write an article on it, which will explain it better than the > > definition. (I'm not a cladist, so I'm probably not the one to write > > the article.) > > That reminds me: I discovered that jimca isn't the best word for that > sort of thing. I was working on a word for "hierarchy" or "tree" > (computer science sense). First version was jicyci'e, but then I > discovered vipsi. > > Talk about a word that doesn't get enough usage. > > vipsi does a *much* better job of expressing branching, hierachical > relationships than jimca, IMO. > > Also IMO, cladistics is jutyvipske, but I'm hardly an expert on the > topic. I disagree. Cladistics is the idea that (using the example on the fish page) the lobe-finned fishes split into three branches: the coelacanths, the lungfish, and the tetrapods; and therefore any taxon containing the coelacanths and the lungfish must contain the tetrapods also. Both cladistic and phenetic taxonomy are hierarchical tree structures, but phenetic taxonomy has named hierarchical levels and can be done without assuming that branching occurred, whereas cladistics assumes branching and produces lots of clades with no taxonomic rank. As to languages, I am a cladist, and linguistic taxonomy has unranked clades and continua (you can go from Monaco to Portugal, Wallonia, or Sicily and everyone understands his neighbors). phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa