From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Aug 20 18:27:16 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55807 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 01:27:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1ByKeg-0007J3-Pq for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:26:50 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByKe4-0007IC-EC; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:26:12 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ByKdt-0007HM-5m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:26:01 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A91514B08; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:25:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20040820083359.GA7469@fysh.org> <20040820190429.GE5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040820190947.GF5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20040820190947.GF5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408202125.31324.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22926 On Friday 20 August 2004 15:09, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040820/NUMBERS20/TPScience/ Hm. Is there any way the Pirahã (that word keeps making me think Piranha) could be convinced to let their children take math lessons so that when they grow up they can tell when they're being cheated? Or are they too afraid that that'll make their kids' heads crooked? I just looked up Pirahã and found this: "Uma criança pode ou não continuar a viver com seus pais depois dos três anos de idade. A maioria das aldeias grandes tem uma subcultura de crianças, de três a catorze anos, que moram juntas e cuidam umas das outras." Since the Pirahã don't count, how does anyone know how old they are? http://www.sil.org/americas/brasil/LANGPAGE/PortPHPg.htm Somewhere I have a Glenn Doman book, _Teach your Baby Math_, which explains how to teach your baby to recognize numbers up to 100 at a glance. When I get kids (a'o) I'll try it, and other math flashcards too. He mentions, IIRR, the "Xingu tribe" as being unable to count, but as Xingu is a river and the Pirahã are not on it, I'm not sure who he means. phma -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa