From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Aug 11 11:37:30 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93775 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2004 18:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2004 18:37:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2004 18:37:26 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BuxyM-0000Ys-0C for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:37:14 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Buxxe-0000Xq-LC; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:36:30 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1BuxxU-0000Xc-E7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:36:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <20040811183620.GW30673@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <200408080634.18420.phma@phma.hn.org> <200408110044.09110.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040811162916.GR30673@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200408111420.15452.phma@phma.hn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200408111420.15452.phma@phma.hn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i X-archive-position: 8410 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The Lojban Wikipedia is up X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22830 On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 02:20:15PM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 11 August 2004 12:29, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 12:44:09AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > > For instance, I just made up the word {jicyjutsi'o}, added it to > > > jbovlaste, and used it in [[finpe]] on Wikipedia. Hopefully > > > someone will write an article on it, which will explain it better > > > than the definition. (I'm not a cladist, so I'm probably not the > > > one to write the article.) > > > > That reminds me: I discovered that jimca isn't the best word for > > that sort of thing. I was working on a word for "hierarchy" or > > "tree" (computer science sense). First version was jicyci'e, but > > then I discovered vipsi. > > > > Talk about a word that doesn't get enough usage. > > > > vipsi does a *much* better job of expressing branching, hierachical > > relationships than jimca, IMO. > > > > Also IMO, cladistics is jutyvipske, but I'm hardly an expert on the > > topic. > > I disagree. Cladistics is the idea that (using the example on the fish > page) the lobe-finned fishes split into three branches: the > coelacanths, the lungfish, and the tetrapods; and therefore any taxon > containing the coelacanths and the lungfish must contain the tetrapods > also. Both cladistic and phenetic taxonomy are hierarchical tree > structures, but phenetic taxonomy has named hierarchical levels and > can be done without assuming that branching occurred, whereas > cladistics assumes branching and produces lots of clades with no > taxonomic rank. What does "branching" mean in this case? IMO, it's a hierarchical relationship in nature. Perhaps something with both jimca and vipsu, or with jicmu or, for that matter, farvi? Yeah, maybe farvi is best. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!"