From a.rosta@v21.me.uk Sat Aug 21 04:04:32 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@v21.me.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56512 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk) (62.41.128.20) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2004 11:04:32 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-223.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.223]) by heineken.flexi-surf.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id i7LA9AK03303 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:09:10 +0100 Message-ID: <005201c4876e$a33490e0$df3a0751@oemcomputer> To: References: <20040820083359.GA7469@fysh.org> <20040820190429.GE5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040820190947.GF5127@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200408202125.31324.phma@phma.hn.org> <20040821091504.GA13917@fysh.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:29:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 62.41.128.20 From: "And Rosta" Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Piraha and SWH X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175222075 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22932 zefram: > Pierre Abbat wrote: > >Hm. Is there any way the Pirahã (that word keeps making me think > >Piranha) > > Apparently it's pronounced {pida'AN}. I would Lojbanize as {PIraxan} or {piraxAN}, since I think the is a tap, i.e. an allophone of Lojban /r/, and [x], an allophone of /x/, is closer to [h] than is /T/, an allophone of /'/. > Something else that occurred to me. Several aspects of their culture and > cognition remind me of the depiction of Homo erectus in Stephen Baxter's > novel "Evolution". The impermanence of everything; discarding tools after > a couple of uses; failure to acquire new skills (dugout canoe making) > comparable in complexity to existing skills; inability to stick to a > planned task (house building); inconsideration of anything not actually > present (the planes and model building). Might this be a remnant of > pre-human culture? Not a remnant, surely, given that these people live in Brazil. Perhaps an atavistic throwback, at most. --And.