From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Aug 16 14:13:59 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93473 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2004 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2004 21:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2004 21:13:58 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20349; Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:13:55 -0400 To: Jorge =?iso-8859-1?Q?Llamb=EDas?= Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20040816211354.GF2998@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <20040816203656.GU10911@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20040816205714.83772.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040816205714.83772.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 65.246.141.36 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: da poi du ro de ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 22883 Jorge Llamb?as scripsit: > > If I say: > > > > da poi du ro de zo'u da broda > > > > Is that strictly equivalent to: > > > > ro de zo'u de broda > > > > In either case, why? > > No. The first one says: that thing which is every thing, is a broda. > Unless there is only one thing in the universe (and it brodas), > then it can't be true. No, you are over-interpreting "da" as "pa da" rather than the correct "su'o da". It says "Each of those things X which are all things Y is a broda", which is the same as "Each thing Y is a broda". The only exception is in the case of an empty universe, which we can disregard. -- Principles. You can't say A is John Cowan made of B or vice versa. All mass http://www.reutershealth.com is interaction. --Richard Feynman http://www.ccil.org/~cowan