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Subject: [lojban] Re: ko smadi file tanru
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--- In lojban@yahoogroups.com, Jim Carter <jimc@M...> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 11:53:13AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 21 September 2004 11:31, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > > > > Here's a tanru for a phrase I've seen many times. Can you
> > > > > guess what it means? {terzbacau spisa nilcla kamsortai}
> > > >
> > > > "Materialless piece length polymorphism".
> > > >
> > > > Have no idea what it *means*, though.
> > > 
> > > Restriction fragment length polymorphism, 
> > 
> > Oh, yeah, I feel *SO* bad that I didn't figure that out...
> > 
> > What the hell was the point of that exercise, exactly?  To test our
> > obscure biology knowledge?
> 
> It's an article of faith that people are supposed to be able to
understand 
> a lujvo, or its underlying tanru, that they have never heard before.  
> Usually it works pretty well, but this one fell on its face. 
Granted, the 
> English tanru isn't that informative: how does "restriction" get
into the 
> act anyway?  
> 
> Viruses are "restricted" in their host range because hosts have enzymes
> that cut DNA at specific sequences that may or not appear in the virus
> genome, but which appear nowhere in the host genome.  When the
enzymes are
> harvested and applied to experimental sample DNA, the cut pieces are
called
> "restriction fragments", and variations (polymorphism) in cut
points, and
> thus the fragment lengths, are a sign that different kinds of DNA are in
> the sample.
> 
> To symbolize that entire paragraph in four words is daunting in any 
> language, so I don't feel too bad that nobody guessed the tanru, 
> particularly given that they aren't bio experts.  But we need to be
able to 
> create guessable tanru on a broad scale.

.iinai mi na dunku la'ede'u  .i lenu mi tcidu zoi .glic. restriction
fragment length polymorphism .glic. oiro'e poi na jibni loi ckini
selsku zi'e noi ba'e glico kei cu krinu leza'i mi cfipu traji ba'u  .i
 loi simsa valsi porsi cu krinu lenu finti lo saske steci vlaste pe le
glico  .i lo xamgu glico bo vlaste cu te ciska so'i glico tanru
ki'ulenu so'o glico tanru noi le do glico tanru cu mupli lu'ike'a ku'o
cu se smuni da poi steci  .i eicai ma'a zengau le'i lojbo valsi


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