From mr_ekted@hotmail.com Sun Oct 24 18:08:15 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: mr_ekted@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69274 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2004 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Oct 2004 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Oct 2004 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 01:08:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Oct 2004 01:08:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 01:08:14 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 796 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "Mr Ekted" X-Originating-IP: 24.93.129.33 Subject: possessives X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=59398656 X-Yahoo-Profile: mr__ekted X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23259 Hi all, trying to get back into lojban after taking a long break. I am curious about pe, po, po'e. There seems to be some room for idiom in their descriptions in the level0 book. Does the word "possession" really mean ownership, or is it intended to simply mean association? My hair will always be my hair, but if I cut it off and give it to you, it is now "also" your hair by possession. How do you specify the difference? Also: my country If you used po'e, does this specifically say "you ARE the country", or can it mean a lifelong loyalty/nationalism? my soul If you use po, does it imply that you feel you can lose your soul, as opposed to po'e? Also, ising using pe considered appropriate in all cases when po/po'e are more appropriate, without any notions of insult?