From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Oct 18 18:29:40 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70040 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 01:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 01:29:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 01:29:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CJiok-0004vi-Ki for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:29:38 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJio4-0004vC-DE; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:28:56 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.189.121.177] (helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJinV-0004uO-Vn for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:28:22 -0700 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7655F82D6; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:27:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20041018133951.81882.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041018133951.81882.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200410182127.40300.phma@phma.hn.org> X-archive-position: 8758 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.hn.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Pierre Abbat From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@phma.hn.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jinku fi la paludizm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23166 On Monday 18 October 2004 09:39, Jorge "Llambías" wrote: > In my dialect of Spanish, "s" is realized as [h] when it is > followed by a consonant, so I pronounce Spanish "paludismo" > as [paluDihmo]. > > In Lojban, "sm" is a valid consonant cluster. If we are > borrowing the international word, which has a more or less > standard spelling but no standard pronunciation, I'm not sure > why we should borrow it in the form it is pronounced in English > instead of keeping the standard spelling. Is the etymology of > "paludism" known? It's from Latin "palus", marsh (not to be confused with "palus", stake, as in Palo Alto - the stem of the former is "palud-", of the latter "pal-"). Slavic languages spell the ending "-izm". phma -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci