From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Oct 19 09:52:51 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54894 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2004 16:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2004 16:52:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2004 16:52:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CJxE7-0007uI-QY for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJxD4-0007tU-Vm; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:51:43 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tx4.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.173]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CJxCU-0007lm-Nf for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:51:07 -0700 Received: from scan4.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.177] helo=localhost) by tx4.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJxCN-0006SV-DO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:50:59 +0100 Received: from rx4.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.172]) by localhost (scan4.mail.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.177]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 24508-04 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:50:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from dh178.chch.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.120.178] helo=chch.ox.ac.uk) by rx4.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1CJxCM-0006SS-G2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:50:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:50:56 +0100 Message-ID: <20041019165056.GA21470@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> References: <20041018212618.GV22470@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20041018232634.60119.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com> <20041018233121.GA6056@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20041019090753.GA13645@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041019090753.GA13645@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: palta User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-archive-position: 8769 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jboste@zugzwang.port5.com X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Martin Bays From: Martin Bays Reply-To: jboste@zugzwang.port5.com Subject: [lojban] Re: jordis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23177 * Tuesday, 2004-10-19 at 10:07 +0100 - Martin Bays : > AFAICT, {me} has a pretty vague meaning. xorxes' entry to the lojban jbovlaste > seems about right though: > galfi le se li'erla'i sumti lo brivla .i x[1] se sinxa le sumti > > which would mean it is true that {mi me da poi vlapau dei} (since I am > signified by {mi}), but it certainly isn't true that {mi du da poi vlapau > dei}. Sorry I got it very wrong there - x1 is a referent of the me'd sumti, not a referent of its referent as my example sentence had it. Now I remember why I stopped posting to this list - I *always* make embarrassing mistakes... Martin