From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Oct 20 16:46:57 2004 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58842 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 23:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 23:46:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.81.49.134) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 23:46:57 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKQAR-0000kN-14 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:46:55 -0700 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.49.134]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKQ9c-0000jQ-RK; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:46:05 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CKQ9Q-0000jC-Us for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:45:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:45:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20041020234552.GF32722@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20041020173832.GA15196@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> <20041020221835.9156.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> <20041020234144.GB5205@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041020234144.GB5205@thedave.chch.ox.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i X-archive-position: 8815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-list To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 64.81.49.134 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban] Re: jordis X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 23221 On Thu, Oct 21, 2004 at 12:41:44AM +0100, Martin Bays wrote: > * Wednesday, 2004-10-20 at 15:18 -0700 - jordi mas : > > > > > But anyway --- are you sure that displacing sumti towards the front to > > > > show emphasis is not malrarbau? > > > Well it's certainly an informal and inexact way of doing it, whether or > > > not it works for not-just-natlang reasons - which makes it arguably > > > unlojbanic. I think CLL mentions that it is generally understood this way, > > > but what difference that makes I'm not sure. > > Somehow I feel it to be unlojbanic, but don't > > ask me why. > > Well we should probably leave it to the proper lojbanists to tell us what is > and isn't lojbanic. Opinions, proper lojbanists? I *absolutely* move the thing that I am thinking about most primarily to the front of the sentence. Sometimes I also move things to the front to match English, but I'm trying to stop doing that. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!"