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From: "riderofgiraffes" <lojban@solipsys.co.uk>
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>> Please can someone provide me with a few examples where a 
>> sumti cannot be passed of as "just a complex sort of noun"? 
>  
> A sumti is an argument of a predicate, according to the gimste. 
> A phrase which has the same internal grammar as a sumti but is 
> the object of {pe} (which is not a preposition or a case marker) 
> is not a sumti, because the pe-phrase modifies a sumti, not a 
> selbri. That's not an example of a sumti which isn't a complex 
> sort of noun, but an example of the inverse. 
 
Well, it's a case of a complex noun (the {sumti}) being modified 
from one grammatical class to another.  It seems that the thing 
that's a {sumti} is still fulfilling the role of a "complex noun". 
 
 
> Sumti are much more often made from verbs than nouns, so it 
> sounds a bit funny to call them noun phrases. 
 
{le ... ku} are, to my mind, brackets that convert the {selbri} 
grammatical class to the {sumti} grammatical class.  So much of 
the lojban grammar can be thought of like this that it makes 
clear and perfect sense not to use the English classifications. 
 
I still need some examples of {sumti} that are not really just 
"complex nouns".